Spoetry - Submit your own Spoems

genraldisarray (Wednesday 23rd of July 2008 11:18:57 AM)

snot, since when does "historical orthodox Christian teachings" supersede what the actual teachings of the Bible state? You stated you "believe" Elijah would return on the 2nd coming; based on what Scripture? By your methods we can "believe" whatever we want. One must actually ignore explicit verses (Rev3:12) to arrive at conclusions like the same Jesus is returning. btw-we always address folks by their usernames; your username is snot, so calling you Johnathon gets too confusing to follow

snotbog1 (Wednesday 23rd of July 2008 01:06:21 PM)

No, my username is snotbog1. You and Adam call me Snot out hostility. Don't give me the whole username/confusion argument. Not buying it. That fact is this: All of Christendom, whether you're Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox or Coptic, believe in the 2 comings of Jesus Christ and that these 2 comings are of one person. Who would that be? Jesus Christ. If my claims are mere "conjecture" as you say, I think the rest of Christendom is on my side. (about 2 billion people or so)

snotbog1 (Wednesday 23rd of July 2008 01:21:51 PM)

What does the bible say? Jesus says that "HE" will come again, not another. John 14:3...."I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." Who's speaking? Jesus Christ. Who will come again? that same Jesus Christ When my wife married me, she took on a "new name". Upon doing so, she did not lose her breasts and start sprouting a beard. Same woman: "new name". The conjecture's in your court, not mine.

snotbog1 (Wednesday 23rd of July 2008 01:37:40 PM)

Also, you seem to want it both ways. On one hand you say that the name Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) is mentioned thousands of years ago in the bible referring to God. But you also say the Rev 3 passage refers to Baha'u'llah as the "new name". Well, which is it? Is it a new name or a name already mentioned thousand of years ago from scripture? It can't be both. Also Rev 19:12 says that nobody knows this "new name" but the messiah Himself? Well, how is that you know it?

adamjacob9 (Wednesday 23rd of July 2008 11:17:16 PM)

snotbog, The "new name" of the return of Christ is new in that it has been now unveiled, & is a different name than Christ had on his first coming. The reference to the Knight on the White Horse, which is the return of the High Priest, a different Personage, is not a reference to the "new name", but refers to the name that only he himself knew, which isn't the same as the "new name". Nowhere does it say that the name that he himself knew is the new name. Can you provide a verse that says it?

snotbog1 (Thursday 24th of July 2008 03:31:45 PM)

Username: Snotbog1 (don't want anyone "confused") New name is not yet unveiled. It does NOT say a new "person" but rather a new "name", just as it also says that WE will receive a "new name" (Rev 2:17) New name in ch 3+19 IS the same person! Ch3:12 refers to the "New Jerusalem" coming down out of heaven. When does this happen? In Rev. 21:2, after ch. 19! Have you ever read Hebrews? Christ IS our high priest! In fact, 9:28 again says that Christ (Himself) will appear A SECOND TIME!!

adamjacob9 (Friday 25th of July 2008 11:08:01 AM)

The "new name" that the true believers receive IS the "new name" of Christ, who is a different Personage, just as John the Baptist IS the return of Elijah, if you are willing to accept it. Are you? Do you accept Jesus' definition of return? Ch. 3 is Jesus Christ delivering a message of future events through the angel to John. Ch. 19 is John's account of the vision of the future return of the High Priest. 2 Promised Ones. Baha'u'llah - Christ on the Throne. High Priest - next to the throne.

snotbog1 (Friday 25th of July 2008 06:16:39 PM)

Dear genraldisarray and adamjacob9 I've enjoyed the exchange with you 2 but where and when does it end. Not sure. I've tried to plainly articulate what I see as plainly written in the bible. You seem to see something different. Bottom line: I believe Jesus Christ has better creditials than Baha'u'llah. I don't think a thoughrall study of the bible leaves room for another messiah. We can go on and on with this and that but honestly I think we've reached a stalemate, don't you?

snotbog1 (Friday 25th of July 2008 06:25:40 PM)

Jesus Christ has clearly said that He alone is the Messiah, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and that He Himself would return again as the everlasting Messiah, a Messiah that would never die and that would rule forever. Jesus warned us that others would come saying that they are the Christ and not to follow them but to look for the return of He Himself: Jesus Christ. Man, this stuff's plain. I hope maybe someone reads this post with eyes open. I did my best. God Bless, Mr. "Snot"

daome2012 (Friday 25th of July 2008 07:34:39 PM)

"I hope maybe someone reads this post with eyes open." The Word is ours to proclaim,not edit. Dr.James R.White "I did my best." You did well.;-)