Spoetry - Submit your own Spoems

cricketplus (Saturday 30th of August 2008 04:44:07 PM)

i stumbled on to this judging by your posts some of you must have taken severe beatings in high school

TEMPmichaelhansen (Tuesday 12th of August 2008 06:08:31 PM)

Hymnen [sound recording] für elektronische und konkrete Klänge. Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft [1969] Electronic music based on national anthems; realized in the Studio für Elektronische Musik, WDR Köln. Program notes by the composer in German, with English and French translations, on album.

EinSofVirtuoso (Friday 8th of August 2008 02:11:16 AM)

And see this is where analysis takes place. I agree on what you call the division of music, which is much akin to the Analytic/Continental divide of philosophy, with the former championing concepts and mathematical completeness over creativity, the latter vice versa amongst other things. Yet, being a student of both schools essentially, I see it as the conflict between "Enframent" and "Rationalization." With regards to Cage, randomness can never be achieved should the music be written down.

EinSofVirtuoso (Friday 8th of August 2008 01:51:42 AM)

I do agree what you mean by Messiaen being emotive, yet I do also speak analytically. But in truth, the true beauty of music is brought about in the end by the synthesis of Analysis and Creativity, for both left to their own devices results in Finite elements and combinations. Of the few composers that have united the two, I would say Rzewski has accomplished very much in his career. May I suggest the People United as an example of the synthesis of logical sound with conditioned "notes."

chopin8826 (Friday 8th of August 2008 08:32:48 AM)

I rather enjoy your idea of unity, for i've always believed that music is the only medium which can unite worlds apart. However, I can honestly say that Stockhausen, and Cage, to me, are failed experiments. Because if one must analyze music to appreciate it, you have failed as a composer, it must firstly touch the human soul, you must make the audience understand the music only through the medium itself. Music is for the people, not for the analysts.

EinSofVirtuoso (Friday 8th of August 2008 12:33:10 PM)

And I agree nonetheless. I myself am a composer and musician. And I agree what you mean by Stockhausen and Cage: I mean, they certainly are not Rachmaninoff or Chopin by far. And there is where you hit the bull's eye in the end. That is where the "new" music should come into play. We do not live in the world of Inevitable destruction as they did during the Cold War. Also, I believe it was Boulez who said that one could not compose melody after such great tragedy, in regards to WWII.

EinSofVirtuoso (Friday 8th of August 2008 12:42:16 PM)

Most would say 9/11 brought us back to that era. I say otherwise. What Boulez said was relevant then; it no longer is now, yet their works are testament of the chaos of their time, especially Morabji, as we could say of Bach's and Debussy's. But once again, we are now in another transition, hopefully for the better.

chopin8826 (Friday 8th of August 2008 08:35:26 AM)

Also, Rzewski, is a fantastic composer, but I also believe that a good composer should be open to the world of popular and studio music as well for is there are any advancements to be made it is there.

EinSofVirtuoso (Friday 8th of August 2008 12:44:16 PM)

Of course. One name that comes to mind is Copeland. He's known as America's composer, especially for the common man. But in the end my friend, I believe that vision is up to us to fulfill..

chopin8826 (Friday 8th of August 2008 12:54:18 PM)

My friend...your last three statements have hit the bulls eye. Sometimes I am over passionate (haha) about certain statements I make about Stockhausen and Cage because people seem to miss the point of their music....At school I feel locked in a cage because professors are so closed to music in the popular field...I saw Radiohead in concert the other day and I tell you, as a composer/performer/musician there performance is well worth the time of a class, for technology and musical purposes.